I do NOT know why the Democratic Party insists on elevating the likes of Schmuck Schumer and Notorious P-Lousy, who can always be counted on to fold like cheap suits in the face of ANY Right-Wing pushback!
Seriously, Geoff, is Schumer f*cking deaf? The whole world is screaming STOP! DON’T! We REALLY NEED some better and younger leadership NOW! Or better yet, yesterday!
Jojo from Jerz tells it like it is! Every time I read her posts, I’m like f*ck yeah! Jo is my hero 💖
I left Sen Schumer a voice mail message in which I advised him that he was no longer dealing with the republicans of the past (if it is not yet obvious to him) and there are no longer any rules because these are not reasonable people you're trying to deal with. This is a cult and you need to act accordingly on behalf of the people you are supposed to represent!
Ehh….I get this feeling, 100 percent. Unfortunately it is not reality-based.
Schumer has realized that allowing the government to shut down would make the Trump/Musk coup easier.
The key point is that the specifics of a federal shutdown are barely spelled out in law. It turns out that the POTUS is pretty much the sole decider of what federal agencies/functions are considered “essential” enough to keep operating; there isn’t any official list anywhere. Congress does not make a list each time either.
The POTUS in office when there’s a shutdown decides on the fly and there are almost no legal guardrails; a 1974 law has some overall guidance which is so open-ended as to mean almost anything in practice. That law does not specify any particular agency(s) that have to stay open. This is why the “essential” list varied a lot during shutdowns during the Obama, Trump 1, and Clinton administrations and even was changed by the White House during a couple of those shutdowns.
So a shutdown (officially a “lapse in appropriations”) gives a rogue POTUS more freedom to break stuff and arbitrarily get rid of government agencies and workers, not less. There would be little if any basis for federal judges to issue injunctions or other orders contrary to Trump’s actions during a shutdown. This is why Musk for weeks has been loudly (in his online posts) hoping for a shutdown.
We didn’t know this because we haven’t previously had an administration behaving like this one. But it appears that Schumer does know it.
I was leaning towards “let it shut down” myself until learning the above facts.
Hmm. That certainly does give one food for thought Paul. Thank you for that. However this appears to be a lose-lose proposition. Make them own it. This is their doing. Make them own it.
Yea, right now may well be a lose-lose proposition. Definitely feels that way.
We shouldn’t be making real-world big decisions based on feels though. That’s not fighting, it’s throwing a tantrum.
Shutting down the government is definitely an immediate win for Trump and Musk due to the facts I described above.
Maaybe it could eventually turn into a loss for them in the court of public opinion? Okay, perhaps, I’d love it….but that seems far from certain. “Make them own it” seems frankly more like wishcasting than a tactical choice grounded in today’s political/cultural reality.
Meanwhile — not letting the government shut down at least doesn’t help Trump/Musk right now. And perhaps it buys a little time to try to figure out an actual, real-world way out of the lose-lose?
That’s what Chuck Schumer is thinking right now. Maybe he turns out to be wrong, okay. But he’s not “caving” — he’s choosing what, factually, appears to be the least-bad option available today.
"“Make them own it” seems frankly more like wishcasting than a tactical choice grounded in today’s political/cultural reality."
I may have said "Let them own it." That is not a "feel" that is a fact. They brought us to this place. I say help them not. Do not become complicit with their avarice and cruel enjoyment. Facts.
You think they don't enjoy inflicting pain? How do you negotiate with one who will stop at nothing to slit your throat? You don't.
I e-mailed Schumer begging to change his position. I have absolutely zilch influence but what the heck! I just don’t see acquiescence here. Push back is essential. Let him know how you feel, fellow Americans!
I also emailed my NY Senator Chuck Schumer strongly laying out our family’s understanding of the situation and strongly suggest he vote NO ! He is clearly only interested in him and his money. Fuck Schumer.
Chuckles Schumer, the fucking democracy killing clown. He is one of them now.
I’m done. I’ve voted for the last time. If I’m going to get Republican policies regardless of who I vote for, why bother?
I do NOT know why the Democratic Party insists on elevating the likes of Schmuck Schumer and Notorious P-Lousy, who can always be counted on to fold like cheap suits in the face of ANY Right-Wing pushback!
Seriously, Geoff, is Schumer f*cking deaf? The whole world is screaming STOP! DON’T! We REALLY NEED some better and younger leadership NOW! Or better yet, yesterday!
Jojo from Jerz tells it like it is! Every time I read her posts, I’m like f*ck yeah! Jo is my hero 💖
I left Sen Schumer a voice mail message in which I advised him that he was no longer dealing with the republicans of the past (if it is not yet obvious to him) and there are no longer any rules because these are not reasonable people you're trying to deal with. This is a cult and you need to act accordingly on behalf of the people you are supposed to represent!
Ehh….I get this feeling, 100 percent. Unfortunately it is not reality-based.
Schumer has realized that allowing the government to shut down would make the Trump/Musk coup easier.
The key point is that the specifics of a federal shutdown are barely spelled out in law. It turns out that the POTUS is pretty much the sole decider of what federal agencies/functions are considered “essential” enough to keep operating; there isn’t any official list anywhere. Congress does not make a list each time either.
The POTUS in office when there’s a shutdown decides on the fly and there are almost no legal guardrails; a 1974 law has some overall guidance which is so open-ended as to mean almost anything in practice. That law does not specify any particular agency(s) that have to stay open. This is why the “essential” list varied a lot during shutdowns during the Obama, Trump 1, and Clinton administrations and even was changed by the White House during a couple of those shutdowns.
So a shutdown (officially a “lapse in appropriations”) gives a rogue POTUS more freedom to break stuff and arbitrarily get rid of government agencies and workers, not less. There would be little if any basis for federal judges to issue injunctions or other orders contrary to Trump’s actions during a shutdown. This is why Musk for weeks has been loudly (in his online posts) hoping for a shutdown.
We didn’t know this because we haven’t previously had an administration behaving like this one. But it appears that Schumer does know it.
I was leaning towards “let it shut down” myself until learning the above facts.
Hmm. That certainly does give one food for thought Paul. Thank you for that. However this appears to be a lose-lose proposition. Make them own it. This is their doing. Make them own it.
Yea, right now may well be a lose-lose proposition. Definitely feels that way.
We shouldn’t be making real-world big decisions based on feels though. That’s not fighting, it’s throwing a tantrum.
Shutting down the government is definitely an immediate win for Trump and Musk due to the facts I described above.
Maaybe it could eventually turn into a loss for them in the court of public opinion? Okay, perhaps, I’d love it….but that seems far from certain. “Make them own it” seems frankly more like wishcasting than a tactical choice grounded in today’s political/cultural reality.
Meanwhile — not letting the government shut down at least doesn’t help Trump/Musk right now. And perhaps it buys a little time to try to figure out an actual, real-world way out of the lose-lose?
That’s what Chuck Schumer is thinking right now. Maybe he turns out to be wrong, okay. But he’s not “caving” — he’s choosing what, factually, appears to be the least-bad option available today.
"“Make them own it” seems frankly more like wishcasting than a tactical choice grounded in today’s political/cultural reality."
I may have said "Let them own it." That is not a "feel" that is a fact. They brought us to this place. I say help them not. Do not become complicit with their avarice and cruel enjoyment. Facts.
You think they don't enjoy inflicting pain? How do you negotiate with one who will stop at nothing to slit your throat? You don't.
Agreed. As if courts issuing injunctions will halt or even slow the Vought/Musk/Trump wrecking ball
I e-mailed Schumer begging to change his position. I have absolutely zilch influence but what the heck! I just don’t see acquiescence here. Push back is essential. Let him know how you feel, fellow Americans!
I also emailed my NY Senator Chuck Schumer strongly laying out our family’s understanding of the situation and strongly suggest he vote NO ! He is clearly only interested in him and his money. Fuck Schumer.
Clearly, that didn’t work, it just passed
Oh fuck!