Trump is planning on pressuring the resettlement of the Palestinians to neighboring Arab states. I presume this is to clear the strip for developers like Kushner to sweep in and build luxe condos.
Don’t get me started! At first thought, it was a delusional thought process, expecting Trump to be a man of “peace” as one Inman said. Then the more I thought about it, I considered it a get back at America moment. Sticking it to us infidels.
Democrats - you don’t have to cooperate, collaborate or enable the Trump Nazi MAGA regime. Don’t support their economy. The rich power brokers & corporations worship money. Don’t buy a new car. Don’t fly. Don’t buy any major appliances. Don’t spend any discretionary money only essentials.
How many times did we tell the stupids! They're so sure they're right, they ignore the facts. Like threatening Israel with aid wasn't going to stop Bibi from doing what he was doing. They didn't listen when it was pointed out that Jarod & Trump Jr. were slithering over by Bibi & wanting to take Gaza. What do we have to do....draw these people a picture??
Not all progressives, just the ones who sat out the election as some moral stance. I didn’t agree with the admin sending in more bombs, but I wasn’t about to completely screw our country either. YMMV
Really! I voted for Harris and would've voted for Biden if he hadn't stepped down because the MSM and Chickenshit NeoLibs flipped out over his being "old" (because Donald Trump is so YOUNG and VITAL by comparison!). I didn't LIKE what Biden was doing about the Palestinian conflict, but I'm old enough to understand why he dusted off the old Cold War Playbook (Israel is Always Right, the Arab Middle East is the Handmaiden of the Soviet Union!).
It wasn't the best move he could've made, especially not given Bibi the Butcher, but the fact that Netanyahu and AIPAC endorsed TRUMP(!!!) was enough to convince me that Biden was making him...uncomfortable, and was planning to exert some real pressure on Israel had he gotten a second term. People who voted for Trump, or refused to vote at all, because of Palestine cut off their noses to spite their faces....
Thank you. Another brick in the wall of my vast ignorance. I never thought about Jared salivating over all that resort property. I live in South Florida....This should have occurred to me but I was distracted by other things...like the word 'Reich.' Oopsie! Slip of the tongue, you know. I am keenly aware of who was gradually, or not so gradually, ousted from the coast here, so I can luxuriate in miserable white guilt. Duhhh!
Yes & MSM only reported it that week along with a dozen other stories then they moved on. They failed...again. You have to drive the point home about how outrageous it is. I might've done the same if I wasn't so busy trying to explain over & over that Biden threatening Bibi over Aid to Israel wasn't going to get him to stop what he was doing & would leave us in a worse position. There was no getting through their thick skulls. They could only see the one point & used it like a battering ram to attack Biden over & over relentlessly & stupidly. It doesn't work like that in the middle East. Yes I blame the performative progressives that are barely 2% of our party to not understand their place as a slim minority, but also to finally get that our base is black women & they're not going to throw the baby out with the bathwater the way they would.
Yes, he is trying to clear the Palestinians out of the last tiny bit of their historical homeland, Judea, not taken previously by Israel. That is prime resort land. Just look at Trump’s son-in-law. I understand he is engaged in helping the Saudi government buy up prime coastal land in other countries for the same purpose. If correct, this is now territorial acquisition and no longer a defensive operation by Israel.
Israel needs a safe existence, as do the Palestinians. The greatest thing Israel could do is help the Palestinians rebuild the Gaza Strip, not drive them out and take the land as a spoil of war. Think of MacArthur and the Japanese after WWII when he administered Japan. The old saying goes, "If you want to make an enemy a friend, help them, not suppress and humiliate them."
Dearborn, Michigan resident here. During the run up to the 2024 election, I felt sure that my Middle Eastern neighbors and friends would stand against Trump as they had in 2020, especially after the “Muslim ban” he put in place as soon as he took office in 2017.
But as the clock ticked down, it became clear that the Israel-Hamas horror show was chipping away at the likelihood that Michigan’s Middle Eastern citizens would remember what Trump did to their own and flatly refuse to vote for him.
When I learned that, on November 1, Trump and his daughter Tiffany’s father-in-law — a Lebanese American — held a campaign event at The Great Commoner, a small restaurant two blocks from my home, I knew that it was all over for the Harris/Walz ticket.
I can’t imagine the level of buyer’s remorse my neighbors must be feeling now. My heart breaks for them.
There was a solution to the problem, Geoff. And it was agreed not only between political leaders, but with practical plans and agreement between government departments in Israel, Palestine, Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, and Syria.
With the Saudis and Emirates putting their tuppence in as well.
There was a practical, realistic, and achievable peace agreement - at all levels - and I was extremely proud to have played a back stage role in helping facilitate it, as my boss (who was also my Dad) chaired the second-level talks - which went on for nearly a year. The only reason I wasn't in Cairo with him is that the ultra orthodox delegates did not want a woman in the room...
Then the ultra-nationalists in Israel - you know, the ones propping up Netanyahu - got real panicky and assassinated Yitzhak Rabin, and that was the end of it.
Peace was so close you could have reached out and touched it...
You're talking about the 2 state solution & that is what I was calling on...it is the ONLY way it could be done. Pres. Clinton was a master at that & it was such a tragedy they murdered Rabin. What a waste. Msnbc pretend it never happened, wasn't good, & because Clinton did it...it's like obsolete or something. They couldn't be MORE wrong & that's why their collective Obama ass kissing got them cancelled along with their platforming of the racist/misogynist Bernie Dems rejected in 2 elections. I cut the cord on cable to save money & because of the lies of omission & commission. Then after Obama orchestrated the ousting of Biden with their help....I was livid! Their strategy is to try to blame Pelosi, Schumer, etc...but the Clooney letter has his fingerprints all over it. These angry people that want to blame Dems, I told them I got a Dem you can blame...it's Obama & Plouffe told Harris not to audit the stolen election, but that's another story.
Then after all their denials, it's now come out that in fact, yes they wanted to sideline both Biden & Harris until they met with Dem primary resistance. The only thing they didn't admit to is that Obama orchestrated it behind closed doors.
People don't understand how close Bill Clinton came to getting that peace deal....
We refer to them as Rubes and Suckers for a reason. May these ignorant Sheep will get exactly what they deserve. Bleat your little hearts out. You're on your own.
It's also a matter of respect that they don't have for their elders that lived through it. I'm talking about the far left clowns that wouldn't listen when we told them they were getting played by Russian propaganda & republican lies about Hillary. They kept on repeating the lies. Those of us who knew her record were trying to direct them to that record, but Bernie the spoiler kept throwing gas on the fire with his lies, misogynist remarks etc... They have continued that b.s. to this day. They're the same ones that millennial group of know nothings that tried to "reinvent the wheel" & seize power form all the experts & telling good Reps & Senators to "retire already", as if their records of achievements didn't matter. This very same group are the ones that INSISTED Biden do something that was pre arranged via congress, pentagon, et al 80 years ago. He could just snap his fingers & make it so & then it would all stop like magic. Well no....that isn't how it works in the middle east. We don't make decisions on assumptions. Someone needs to squeeze some contrition out of this group because they're going around lying about how "Bernie woulda won" right now....it makes me sick.
The solution was not getting involved in the first place. That ship sailed in 1948 when Western powers backed the creation of the “State of Israel” in an attempt to distract from the inescapable fact most of them had treated Jews almost as badly as the Nazis, going back centuries. (See “The Merchant of Venice” as well as the Inquisition and countless other examples) The whole world was grossly embarrassed by the revelation of the Nazi death camps and a Jewish homeland seemed like the least we could do for the poor survivors.
Unfortunately, in typical Western fashion, we chose to solve our problem at someone else’s expense, and here we are today.
Those kind of solutions are the right now solutions that make the problems worse later on, such as what Reagan did in the middle east that caused & created the Taliban, al qaeda, & Trump did when he let 5000 Taliban prisoners go with no concessions & then tried to blame the Afghan president who wasn't even involved. MSM might acknowledge that with a story or two, but never do they take it up & drive the truth home, the way that is SHOULD be driven home. The right wing that created this myth of Reagan wouldn't have gained traction without their refusal to push back on it & it was created....drum roll please...because Bill Clinton was the anti-Reagan who did things the exact opposite as Reagan & made the economy hum, balanced the budget, created jobs, etc... It was Norville the Washington shill that wanted to create the myth of Reagan because next to Clinton's achievements he looked like a loser. So they went about naming things after him, tried to get his face on Mt Rushmore & writing all these moronic memoirs about him. Sadly....MSM went along with it, obviously, instead of standing up for the truth. Their cowardice has cost us a lot, including our democracy.
America bears blame as well. If we wanted to help the Jews who'd survived the Shoah in the 1940s we should have set aside some of our own country for them to settle, not given away somebody else's.
Well there was a little bit more to it than just being anti-Semitic. There was a great sentiment from the right to not go to war after WWI, by the likes of people like Charles Lindbergh & other rich wealthy Americans. Everybody at the time thought Lindbergh was a hero, but he was actually a Nazi supporter, & believed in many of their policies. Later on we learned he had a sadistic streak. So that accounts for the pressure that FDR was under from this group. They made a huge scene, campaigning on it, with slogans, etc... for the U.S. to stay out of it. That's how when the Jews were looking for a place to land in their ship & everyone turned them down, the U.S. shamefully did the same. It was such a terrible mistake. When Hitler started attacking the Brits...FDR did some things to help in secret, but he lent them our ships etc... until Pearl Harbor then it was on. You guys need to become acquainted with a little thing called nuance. Everything that happens doesn't have a neat little category like anti-Semitism. In fact, that is so overused it's idiotic. I've been called it, & I've always been a proponent of the two state solution, not favoring one over the other. It was & still is the most civilized & intelligent strategy we've ever come up with, but after Rabin was assassinated & Bush stole those two presidencies...all that work & good will was pissed away by the smirking chimp that was never elected. We ignore the WRONGs committed by the rich & powerful at our own peril.
All Nepo did was plot out the lots for the future Barf Tower and associated beachfront properties. That’s what that was all about.
What happened to the early reports about Israel intelligence knowing about the Hamas attacks several days in advance? And who or what but a genocidal maniac or IDF would wipe out over 50,000 people and their entire infrastructure because of an attack that killed fewer than 2,000 people? Seems a bit out of whack to my way of thinking but I have Palestinian friends so that may skew my thinking a bit. As for the orange menace’s demand of Jordan, that country has been home to the largest refugee camps in the world for years because one of my friends grew up in it.
Because the US and Israel have a treaty we were bound to come to their aid. I just wish it had been far less enthusiastic than it seemed to be. This whole business has really soured me on that country.
Well they did the propaganda thing that Bush Sr. did to get troops angry to go against Saddam in Operation Desert Storm. There was the stories about butchered babies, burned to death babies, & the hostages do have brutal wounds. So it's hard to say what's true & what's the lie.
I didn't want to admit my first reaction to Oct 7 was that it smelt like a Bush operation (meaning W). I felt like the "failure" of intel was bullsh*t & done purposely for a preplanned attack & that he knew it would occur & could use it to end Gaza. They probably knew they'd get Orange Caligula back too. I said it on X, but just like ....not saying it's true, but a feeling I had. That feeling was probably true, because it makes sense if you look at everything Bibi did & said. It ended up what he did do, in fact. https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1992-03-06-mn-3337-story.html
We told you so. And to all who voted for Trump or could not vote for Kamala. The cleanse is real and coming to your neighborhood and abroad.
Don’t get me started! At first thought, it was a delusional thought process, expecting Trump to be a man of “peace” as one Inman said. Then the more I thought about it, I considered it a get back at America moment. Sticking it to us infidels.
Yeah, that feels correct.
The reflexive anger at Biden and the status quo I get, I am not happy.
But to think that Trump would in **any** way be better was just a head scratcher.
Yet, I saw many make that argument.
What I will ask bc I didn’t watch did these ppl protest at trumps inauguration? If so, I would respect that
Democrats - you don’t have to cooperate, collaborate or enable the Trump Nazi MAGA regime. Don’t support their economy. The rich power brokers & corporations worship money. Don’t buy a new car. Don’t fly. Don’t buy any major appliances. Don’t spend any discretionary money only essentials.
How many times did we tell the stupids! They're so sure they're right, they ignore the facts. Like threatening Israel with aid wasn't going to stop Bibi from doing what he was doing. They didn't listen when it was pointed out that Jarod & Trump Jr. were slithering over by Bibi & wanting to take Gaza. What do we have to do....draw these people a picture??
We tried to warn them.
I think the new Administration is working towards a Final Solution to the Palestinian problem….
Funny, but I was going to write something similar with regards to the immigrants.
WTF are you blaming progressives for this?
Not all progressives, just the ones who sat out the election as some moral stance. I didn’t agree with the admin sending in more bombs, but I wasn’t about to completely screw our country either. YMMV
Really! I voted for Harris and would've voted for Biden if he hadn't stepped down because the MSM and Chickenshit NeoLibs flipped out over his being "old" (because Donald Trump is so YOUNG and VITAL by comparison!). I didn't LIKE what Biden was doing about the Palestinian conflict, but I'm old enough to understand why he dusted off the old Cold War Playbook (Israel is Always Right, the Arab Middle East is the Handmaiden of the Soviet Union!).
It wasn't the best move he could've made, especially not given Bibi the Butcher, but the fact that Netanyahu and AIPAC endorsed TRUMP(!!!) was enough to convince me that Biden was making him...uncomfortable, and was planning to exert some real pressure on Israel had he gotten a second term. People who voted for Trump, or refused to vote at all, because of Palestine cut off their noses to spite their faces....
Far too many "progressive" lefties did either vote protest, or voted for Trump because of Biden.
The number of times I was attacked for questioning their motivations really made me wonder what was wrong with them.
And no, it wasn't all progressives. But it wasn't 0, and it was enough to move the needle. That can't be argued with.
And the Muslims who fell for the Trump bait? My head is still shaking over that.
And yah, AIPAC endorsing Trump was some next level bullshit.
I didn’t think you voted for Trump. I’ve seen your posts and upvoted them. I was just thinking you missed Geoff’s point.
Thank you. Another brick in the wall of my vast ignorance. I never thought about Jared salivating over all that resort property. I live in South Florida....This should have occurred to me but I was distracted by other things...like the word 'Reich.' Oopsie! Slip of the tongue, you know. I am keenly aware of who was gradually, or not so gradually, ousted from the coast here, so I can luxuriate in miserable white guilt. Duhhh!
Yes & MSM only reported it that week along with a dozen other stories then they moved on. They failed...again. You have to drive the point home about how outrageous it is. I might've done the same if I wasn't so busy trying to explain over & over that Biden threatening Bibi over Aid to Israel wasn't going to get him to stop what he was doing & would leave us in a worse position. There was no getting through their thick skulls. They could only see the one point & used it like a battering ram to attack Biden over & over relentlessly & stupidly. It doesn't work like that in the middle East. Yes I blame the performative progressives that are barely 2% of our party to not understand their place as a slim minority, but also to finally get that our base is black women & they're not going to throw the baby out with the bathwater the way they would.
Yes, he is trying to clear the Palestinians out of the last tiny bit of their historical homeland, Judea, not taken previously by Israel. That is prime resort land. Just look at Trump’s son-in-law. I understand he is engaged in helping the Saudi government buy up prime coastal land in other countries for the same purpose. If correct, this is now territorial acquisition and no longer a defensive operation by Israel.
Israel needs a safe existence, as do the Palestinians. The greatest thing Israel could do is help the Palestinians rebuild the Gaza Strip, not drive them out and take the land as a spoil of war. Think of MacArthur and the Japanese after WWII when he administered Japan. The old saying goes, "If you want to make an enemy a friend, help them, not suppress and humiliate them."
Bibi is never going to do that because he is filled with hate.
Dearborn, Michigan resident here. During the run up to the 2024 election, I felt sure that my Middle Eastern neighbors and friends would stand against Trump as they had in 2020, especially after the “Muslim ban” he put in place as soon as he took office in 2017.
But as the clock ticked down, it became clear that the Israel-Hamas horror show was chipping away at the likelihood that Michigan’s Middle Eastern citizens would remember what Trump did to their own and flatly refuse to vote for him.
When I learned that, on November 1, Trump and his daughter Tiffany’s father-in-law — a Lebanese American — held a campaign event at The Great Commoner, a small restaurant two blocks from my home, I knew that it was all over for the Harris/Walz ticket.
I can’t imagine the level of buyer’s remorse my neighbors must be feeling now. My heart breaks for them.
https://www.freep.com/videos/news/local/michigan/wayne/2024/11/15/trump-visits-the-great-commoner-cafe-in-dearborn-michigan-on-nov-1/76291972007/
Sorry, my heart doesn't break for them. I'm sitting here with a massive ha ha told you so attitude. I hope they learned something from all this.
There was a solution to the problem, Geoff. And it was agreed not only between political leaders, but with practical plans and agreement between government departments in Israel, Palestine, Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, and Syria.
With the Saudis and Emirates putting their tuppence in as well.
There was a practical, realistic, and achievable peace agreement - at all levels - and I was extremely proud to have played a back stage role in helping facilitate it, as my boss (who was also my Dad) chaired the second-level talks - which went on for nearly a year. The only reason I wasn't in Cairo with him is that the ultra orthodox delegates did not want a woman in the room...
Then the ultra-nationalists in Israel - you know, the ones propping up Netanyahu - got real panicky and assassinated Yitzhak Rabin, and that was the end of it.
Peace was so close you could have reached out and touched it...
You're talking about the 2 state solution & that is what I was calling on...it is the ONLY way it could be done. Pres. Clinton was a master at that & it was such a tragedy they murdered Rabin. What a waste. Msnbc pretend it never happened, wasn't good, & because Clinton did it...it's like obsolete or something. They couldn't be MORE wrong & that's why their collective Obama ass kissing got them cancelled along with their platforming of the racist/misogynist Bernie Dems rejected in 2 elections. I cut the cord on cable to save money & because of the lies of omission & commission. Then after Obama orchestrated the ousting of Biden with their help....I was livid! Their strategy is to try to blame Pelosi, Schumer, etc...but the Clooney letter has his fingerprints all over it. These angry people that want to blame Dems, I told them I got a Dem you can blame...it's Obama & Plouffe told Harris not to audit the stolen election, but that's another story.
Then after all their denials, it's now come out that in fact, yes they wanted to sideline both Biden & Harris until they met with Dem primary resistance. The only thing they didn't admit to is that Obama orchestrated it behind closed doors.
People don't understand how close Bill Clinton came to getting that peace deal....
Those were the days
"And they seem SHOCKED."
We refer to them as Rubes and Suckers for a reason. May these ignorant Sheep will get exactly what they deserve. Bleat your little hearts out. You're on your own.
It's also a matter of respect that they don't have for their elders that lived through it. I'm talking about the far left clowns that wouldn't listen when we told them they were getting played by Russian propaganda & republican lies about Hillary. They kept on repeating the lies. Those of us who knew her record were trying to direct them to that record, but Bernie the spoiler kept throwing gas on the fire with his lies, misogynist remarks etc... They have continued that b.s. to this day. They're the same ones that millennial group of know nothings that tried to "reinvent the wheel" & seize power form all the experts & telling good Reps & Senators to "retire already", as if their records of achievements didn't matter. This very same group are the ones that INSISTED Biden do something that was pre arranged via congress, pentagon, et al 80 years ago. He could just snap his fingers & make it so & then it would all stop like magic. Well no....that isn't how it works in the middle east. We don't make decisions on assumptions. Someone needs to squeeze some contrition out of this group because they're going around lying about how "Bernie woulda won" right now....it makes me sick.
The solution was not getting involved in the first place. That ship sailed in 1948 when Western powers backed the creation of the “State of Israel” in an attempt to distract from the inescapable fact most of them had treated Jews almost as badly as the Nazis, going back centuries. (See “The Merchant of Venice” as well as the Inquisition and countless other examples) The whole world was grossly embarrassed by the revelation of the Nazi death camps and a Jewish homeland seemed like the least we could do for the poor survivors.
Unfortunately, in typical Western fashion, we chose to solve our problem at someone else’s expense, and here we are today.
Those kind of solutions are the right now solutions that make the problems worse later on, such as what Reagan did in the middle east that caused & created the Taliban, al qaeda, & Trump did when he let 5000 Taliban prisoners go with no concessions & then tried to blame the Afghan president who wasn't even involved. MSM might acknowledge that with a story or two, but never do they take it up & drive the truth home, the way that is SHOULD be driven home. The right wing that created this myth of Reagan wouldn't have gained traction without their refusal to push back on it & it was created....drum roll please...because Bill Clinton was the anti-Reagan who did things the exact opposite as Reagan & made the economy hum, balanced the budget, created jobs, etc... It was Norville the Washington shill that wanted to create the myth of Reagan because next to Clinton's achievements he looked like a loser. So they went about naming things after him, tried to get his face on Mt Rushmore & writing all these moronic memoirs about him. Sadly....MSM went along with it, obviously, instead of standing up for the truth. Their cowardice has cost us a lot, including our democracy.
America bears blame as well. If we wanted to help the Jews who'd survived the Shoah in the 1940s we should have set aside some of our own country for them to settle, not given away somebody else's.
To be honest, the carving of the Palestinian state was done by the Brits, but yeah, we should have been far more involved.
But the truth is that at the time, we were pretty fucking anti-Semitic, and would have been happy for this problem to just go away.
And we are rapidly getting back to that level of blatant anti-Semitism again.
History may not repeat, but it sure as heck rhymes.
Well there was a little bit more to it than just being anti-Semitic. There was a great sentiment from the right to not go to war after WWI, by the likes of people like Charles Lindbergh & other rich wealthy Americans. Everybody at the time thought Lindbergh was a hero, but he was actually a Nazi supporter, & believed in many of their policies. Later on we learned he had a sadistic streak. So that accounts for the pressure that FDR was under from this group. They made a huge scene, campaigning on it, with slogans, etc... for the U.S. to stay out of it. That's how when the Jews were looking for a place to land in their ship & everyone turned them down, the U.S. shamefully did the same. It was such a terrible mistake. When Hitler started attacking the Brits...FDR did some things to help in secret, but he lent them our ships etc... until Pearl Harbor then it was on. You guys need to become acquainted with a little thing called nuance. Everything that happens doesn't have a neat little category like anti-Semitism. In fact, that is so overused it's idiotic. I've been called it, & I've always been a proponent of the two state solution, not favoring one over the other. It was & still is the most civilized & intelligent strategy we've ever come up with, but after Rabin was assassinated & Bush stole those two presidencies...all that work & good will was pissed away by the smirking chimp that was never elected. We ignore the WRONGs committed by the rich & powerful at our own peril.
But wait! Didn't Nepo-Baby Kushner solve the Middle East during the last Trump ‘administration?!’ 🤦🏻♂️
All Nepo did was plot out the lots for the future Barf Tower and associated beachfront properties. That’s what that was all about.
What happened to the early reports about Israel intelligence knowing about the Hamas attacks several days in advance? And who or what but a genocidal maniac or IDF would wipe out over 50,000 people and their entire infrastructure because of an attack that killed fewer than 2,000 people? Seems a bit out of whack to my way of thinking but I have Palestinian friends so that may skew my thinking a bit. As for the orange menace’s demand of Jordan, that country has been home to the largest refugee camps in the world for years because one of my friends grew up in it.
Because the US and Israel have a treaty we were bound to come to their aid. I just wish it had been far less enthusiastic than it seemed to be. This whole business has really soured me on that country.
Well they did the propaganda thing that Bush Sr. did to get troops angry to go against Saddam in Operation Desert Storm. There was the stories about butchered babies, burned to death babies, & the hostages do have brutal wounds. So it's hard to say what's true & what's the lie.
I didn't want to admit my first reaction to Oct 7 was that it smelt like a Bush operation (meaning W). I felt like the "failure" of intel was bullsh*t & done purposely for a preplanned attack & that he knew it would occur & could use it to end Gaza. They probably knew they'd get Orange Caligula back too. I said it on X, but just like ....not saying it's true, but a feeling I had. That feeling was probably true, because it makes sense if you look at everything Bibi did & said. It ended up what he did do, in fact. https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1992-03-06-mn-3337-story.html
Yeah, I remember that too. Lotsa victory laps were taken.